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UPDATE: Ron Broberg has a more definitive explanation of the difference which indicates that 5sig issue is not the main cause of the difference. See his exposition here

CRU, it appears, trims out station data when it lies outside 5 sigma. Well, for certain years where there was actually record cold weather that leads to discrepancies between CRU and me. probably happens in warm years as well. Overall this trimming of data amounts to around .1C. ( mean of all differences)

below, see what 1936 looked like. Average for every month, max anomaly, min anomaly, and 95% CI (orange) And note these are actual anomalies from 1961-90 baseline. So thats a -21C departure from the average.  With a sd around 2.5 that means CRU is trimming  departures greater than 13C or so.  A simple look at the data showed bitterly cold  weather in the US. Weather that gets snipped by a 5 sigma trim.

And  More interesting facts: If one throws out data because of outlier status one can expect outliers to be uniformly distributed over the months. In other words bad data has no season. So, I sorted the ‘error’ between CRU and Moshtemp. Where do we differ. Uniformly over the months? or does the dropping of 5sigma events happen in certain seasons. First lets look at when CRU is warmer than Moshtemp. I take the top 100 months in terms of positive error. Months here are expressed as fractions 0= jan

Next, we take the top 100 months in terms of negative error. Is that uniformly distributed?

If this data holds up upon further examination it would appear that CRU processing has a seasonal Bias, really cold winters and really warm winters ( 5 sigma events) get tossed. Hmm.

The “delta” between Moshtemp and CRU varies with the season. The worst months on average are dec/jan. The sd for the winter month delta is twice that of other months. Again, if these 5 sig events were just bad data we would not expect this. Over all Moshtemp is warmer that CRU, but  when we look at TRENDS it matters where these events happen

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  1. BarryW
    September 5, 2010 at 8:34 AM

    I started looking at CRN data, which is daily, and saw a similar pattern: Winter months have the largest spread tapering down to midsummer, then increasing through the fall.

  2. Steven Mosher
    September 5, 2010 at 8:53 AM

    Ya I’m confirming that now. The sd in winter is twice that of mid year. the max excursions are greater as well

  3. September 5, 2010 at 7:24 PM

    I posted some short notes from Jones about winter variance at WUWT. CRU has been noting winter variance for many years.

    Did you really approve reposting this post at WUWT? To be frank, it is a bit of an editorial mess. Unlabeled charts. Uncited references.

    If you want to look at CRUs 1936 data sets, try here:

    • steven Mosher
      September 6, 2010 at 2:08 AM

      Thanks Ron, The blog is basically my working notes. I’m fine with Anthony reposting it. Same with untested code. more eyes the better.

  1. September 5, 2010 at 11:24 PM

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